Podcast E7: Woman, Know Your Abuser
E7, "Woman, Know Your Abuser," is a podcast hosted by Mette Miriam Sloth, that focuses on women's experiences with boundary-crossing behavior from men in intimate relationships and family relationships. The conversation provides insight into recognizing abusive behavior, protecting children in such situations, and navigating divorces where there is a history of abuse.
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Recognizing Abusive Behavior
The conversation emphasizes the importance of women learning to recognize abusive behavior in order to protect themselves and their children. Emphasis is placed on the fact that narcissistic traits can be difficult to identify at the beginning of a relationship, as they are often masked by charming behavior.
Examples of abusive behavior mentioned in the conversation include:
Manipulation: The abuser tries to control and direct the woman's thoughts and actions.
Gaslighting: The abuser makes the woman doubt her own memory and perception of reality.
Denial of Responsibility: The abuser does not take responsibility for their actions and instead blames the woman.
Verbal Abuse: The abuser uses demeaning and hurtful language to humiliate and degrade the woman.
Protecting Children
The conversation addresses the difficult situation many women face when they have to protect their children from an abusive father. Emphasis is placed on the fact that it can be a balancing act to support the children in their relationship with their father, while at the same time protecting them from harmful behavior.
The conversation encourages setting clear boundaries with the abusive partner and involving professionals to get help and support.
Navigating Divorces
E7 also discusses the challenges that can arise during and after a divorce where abusive behavior has been involved. Emphasis is placed on the fact that the abuser will often try to maintain control and manipulate the situation to their advantage.
The conversation provides advice to women on how they can navigate the divorce process and protect themselves and their children from further abuse.
Final Remarks
The conversation emphasizes that women are not alone in experiencing abusive behavior. Help and support are available, and it is important to break the silence and put an end to the abuse.
References:
Why Does He Do That? - Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men by Lundy Bancroft.
Should I Stay or Should I Go?: Surviving a Relationship with a Narcissist by Ramani Durvasula.
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Hey everyone and welcome to another deep dive.
You know
before we get started today.
Okay.
We wanted to let you all know that we're AI hosts.
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and we're here at the request of Mette Miriam Sloth and Sune sloth.
Oh cool.
Yeah. They've got this really amazing Danish podcast called the Magdalene Effect and it covers some really important topics.
Yeah.
And they wanted to make sure that their insights could reach a wider audience.
That's great.
Yeah. So think of us as like your translators bringing their work to all of you. That's a really cool way to put it. Um, and Metate and Soon really do delve into some challenging areas.
And in this deep dive, we're going to be focusing on abusive relationships.
Okay.
They start by painting a pretty stark reality. Yeah.
Which is that a huge number of women face abuse from men, both psychological and physical.
Yeah. It's such an important topic and so prevalent.
Absolutely.
And while abuse can obviously come from anyone, this deep dive is going to be focusing on male abuse. ers because of that really unfortunate prevalence of violence against women,
right? And it's not to it's not to say that, you know, men are the only abusers or anything like that. We just want to make that clear.
Yeah. This isn't about blaming men or making generalizations. It's about understanding the dynamics of abuse and empowering women to recognize the signs so they can protect themselves.
Absolutely. Think of this deep dive as like a journey, a way to navigate this really complex terrain. Okay,
we're going to unpack what Metate and Sunni discuss about identifying red flags.
Yeah.
Understanding the abuser's mindset and most importantly,
yeah,
figuring out how to navigate your own situation. Whether you're in a potentially abusive relationship or you want to help someone who is
Okay. So, how do we even begin to like disentangle what's typical relationship stuff
from actual abuse? I mean, relationships have their ups and downs, right?
Oh, yeah. For sure. For sure. And that's where it gets really interesting. Because Med andS really emphasize that abuse isn't just about like normal conflict or disagreements. Okay? They point out that abusers actually exhibit very specific behaviors that are rooted in the sense of entitlement and a real lack of accountability.
So it's not just someone losing their temper every now and then.
No, no, not at all.
It's more deliberate and more ingrained.
Interesting.
Meta and Sunune actually call it the abuser mindset.
Okay.
It's this deeply held belief.
Wow.
That the abuser is entitled to control, dominate, and have their needs met no matter the cost to their partner.
Wow.
It's almost like a distorted worldview rather than just a bad habit.
Distorted worldview is a really good way to put it.
Yeah. It's
So, if that's the underlying mindset, how does that actually play out in a relationship?
Well, they talk about this cycle where abuse is often followed by lovebombing.
Oh, yeah. I've heard of love bombing.
Yeah. So, these are like periods of intense affection and promises to change. You know, I'm a change and I'm never going to do that again. I promise I love you so much.
Mhm.
And they explain how this actually creates this thing called a trauma bond.
A trauma bond.
Yeah. Basically, the victim kind of gets hooked on those fleeting moments of good treatment,
right?
Always hoping that the abuse will stop for good this time.
It's like a manipulative roller coaster. You get addicted to the highs even though the lows are just terrifying.
That is such a good way to put it.
So, it's like you're constantly waiting for that next high.
Right. Exactly.
And kind of ignoring the lows or
rationalizing them
and minimizing them.
Exactly.
And this is what's so scary about it is that that traditional relationship advice like,
you know, communicate better,
understand each other's needs,
that can actually backfire with abusers
because you're essentially giving them more tools to manipulate the situation.
Exactly. It plays right into their hands.
Wow.
Mate and Soon have this really chilling example where a woman confronts her partner about an affair.
Oh gosh.
And he completely denies it, of course. Right.
And convinces her that she's paranoid.
Oh wow.
And even plants fake evidence to support his lies.
Oh my gosh. That's scary. So he's like rewriting reality.
Yes.
To suit his needs.
Absolutely. And this is a perfect example of just how manipulative abusers can truly be.
So what is the best course of action if you find yourself
Yeah.
caught in this web of manipulation?
Yeah. Mate and Sunn are very clear about this.
Okay.
Setting firm boundaries is absolutely crucial.
Okay.
But they warned that this can trigger some pretty intense reactions from the abuser.
Oh, I bet.
Because they see boundaries as a threat to their control.
That makes sense. I mean, if you're used to having your way all the time.
Yeah.
And someone's putting their foot down, that's got to be threatening.
Absolutely. So, it's really hard.
Yeah.
Especially for someone who's already feeling vulnerable.
Mhm. So, what do you do like when an abuser pushes back against a boundary?
Well, mate, advice is pretty blunt.
Okay.
If the abuser doesn't respect a stated boundary, you leave.
Wow.
Even if it's just temporarily,
you have to demonstrate that your well-being isn't negotiable.
So, it's about taking a stand and showing them that you're serious.
Yes. And you're not going to be a passive participant in their game,
right? You're not going to play by the rules anymore.
Exactly. You have to take your power back.
It's a powerful message.
It is. And it's not easy.
No,
I can imagine.
But it's necessary.
Okay. So, Okay. So, leaving even temporarily has got to be incredibly hard.
Oh, absolutely. Metate and Sunune acknowledge that completely.
Yeah.
They talk about
just how difficult it is to leave an abusive relationship,
right?
You know, there's often this fear of financial instability,
right? If you're financially dependent on the abuser.
Exactly. And custody battles if children are involved.
Oh gosh. Yeah. That's a whole other layer of complexity.
Absolutely. And even continued harassment from the abuser.
So, it's not like you can just walk away and it's over,
right? And then on top of all of that,
you have that trauma bond we talked about, right?
That makes it so hard to break free emotionally.
It's almost like a web of fear, guilt, and even love
that makes it so hard to escape.
You put that perfectly.
It's just incredibly complex.
It is. But Meta and Soon stress that no one has to go through this alone.
That's so important to remember.
Absolutely. They really emphasize seeking help
whether it's from therapist support groups or even legal professional.
So there is a network of support out there.
Oh, absolutely. There's a whole network. You just have to reach out.
So it's about finding that strength to reach out and then rebuilding one step at a time.
Exactly. And a big part of that rebuilding is about reclaiming your power.
Okay.
That's something Meta and soon really drive home.
So it's not just about escaping the abuse.
No, it's about rediscovering your own agency, your own voice.
Right. Taking back control of your life.
Exactly. And that takes time.
Of course. I imagine the healing process is different. for everyone.
Absolutely. Metate and Sunna are are very clear about that. They say healing from an abusive relationship takes a lot of work and rebuilding trust.
Yeah. Trust in yourself and maybe even trust in future relationships.
Exactly. That's a huge part of it.
This is all pretty heavy stuff.
Yeah, it is.
But it feels really important to talk about.
I agree. It's definitely not easy to confront,
especially for those who might be going through this right now.
Right. But Mate and Soon make a good point about the importance of breaking the silence. Because part of what keeps the cycle of abuse going is the secrecy around it.
Exactly. Bringing it out into the open can be a powerful step towards change.
And that change needs to happen on a societal level too, right?
Oh, absolutely not. Just within individual relationships.
But what do they say about that?
Well, Met Sundat talk about how societal biases actually contribute to the silencing of victims.
What do you mean by societal biases?
Well, they point to the tendency to blame victims for staying in abusive relationships.
Oh, right. Like why didn't You just leave.
Exactly. And there's often this real lack of understanding about the complex psychological factors, right,
that make it so hard to leave.
It's not as simple as just packing your bags and walking out the door.
No, it's not. People don't always grasp that web of manipulation and control that abusers create.
Yeah. It's easier to judge than to try to understand the intricacies of the situation.
Unfortunately, that's true. And there's often this disbelief of victim's stories
really,
especially if the abuser seems charming or successful in other areas of life.
It's like people have trouble reconciling that someone they perceive as good could be capable of abuse.
Exactly. It's like a cognitive dissonance.
Yeah. And that makes it even harder for victims to come forward if they feel like they won't be believed.
Absolutely. That's a major point Med and Soon make.
Wow. So much to unpack here.
There is. And this is where they get into this really interesting discussion about setting boundaries.
Okay.
They emphasize that boundaries are crucial,
not just for protecting in an abusive situation,
but for healthy relationships in general.
That makes sense. But what exactly do we mean by boundaries?
Yeah, I feel like that word gets thrown around a lot. They describe boundaries as those invisible lines that define where you end and another person begins. Okay.
It's about protecting your physical, emotional, and mental well-being.
So like having a personal space and boundaries are like the fence around that space.
That's a great way to put it.
Okay.
But it goes beyond just physical space.
Okay. Okay. Boundaries are also about emotional space,
like setting limits on what you're willing to share or what behavior you'll tolerate.
Exactly. It's about knowing yourself, knowing what you need, and communicating that to others.
And that's probably where it gets tricky, right?
Oh, absolutely. Setting clear boundaries can be challenging.
Yeah.
Especially if you're not used to it,
especially if you're someone who tends to prioritize other people's needs over their own.
Exactly. And Mate and Soon address that, too.
Okay.
They talk about how common it is to feel guilty about saying no. or disappointing others,
right? You don't want to let people down.
Exactly. But they emphasize that setting boundaries is actually an act of self-respect.
It's about honoring yourself and your own needs, not just catering to everyone else's.
Exactly. And they give some really interesting examples of boundaries in different types of relationships.
Okay. Like what?
Well, for instance, in a romantic relationship, a healthy boundary might be saying no to intimacy.
Okay.
If you're not feeling up to it.
So, it's about honoring your own desires and not feeling pressured to do something. something you're not comfortable with.
Exactly. Another example they give is setting a boundary around how much time you spend with your partner's family.
Yeah, I can see how that could be important.
Absolutely. It's about finding a balance that works for both of you,
right? Without feeling obligated to spend every holiday or weekend with them.
Exactly. And then in friendships, they talk about setting boundaries around gossip or saying no to a request for help if you're already feeling overwhelmed.
So, it's about being honest about your capacity and setting limits even with friends.
Precise nicely. And they don't shy away from the complexities of family relationships either.
Yeah. Family dynamics can be really intense.
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. They can be so emotionally charged.
But they're saying that setting boundaries is crucial even within a family.
Yes. For example, limiting contact with a toxic family member.
Okay.
Or saying no to financial requests that you're not comfortable with.
So, it's about prioritizing your own well-being even if it means creating some distance.
Exactly. And a big theme throughout MeteSoon's discussion is the importance of self-awareness when it comes to boundaries.
What do they mean by self-awareness?
They talk about how crucial it is to have a good understanding of yourself.
Okay.
Your needs, your limits, and your values
in order to set effective boundaries.
So, you have to know yourself first.
Exactly. It's about being in tune with your own inner compass.
Okay.
And knowing what you can and can't tolerate.
That makes sense.
So, it's not just about setting boundaries with others. It's also about setting boundaries is with yourself.
What do they mean by that?
Well, they talk about how we often neglect to set boundaries with ourselves, which can lead to burnout, resentment, and a diminished sense of self.
Can you give me an example of what they mean by setting boundaries with yourself?
Sure. They talk about limiting exposure to negative influences
like social media or toxic people.
Exactly. It's about protecting your mental and emotional well-being by being mindful of what you allow into your life.
Right. So, being selective about who and what you surround yourself with.
Exactly. They also talk about setting boundaries around your time and energy,
like saying no to commitments that drain you.
Yes. Making time for self-care
and prioritizing your own goals.
So, honoring your own needs and being intentional about how you spend your time and energy.
Precisely. And Metate and Soon acknowledge that this can be challenging.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Especially if you're used to putting others needs before your own.
It's like unlearning a lifetime of habits.
It can be, but they say it takes practice, but it's worth it.
Okay.
Because it strengthens self-respect. and ultimately leads to a more fulfilling life.
Yeah. It sounds like setting boundaries is a skill you have to like develop and keep working on.
Absolutely.
But I can see how it ties into that bigger theme of reclaiming your power.
Yeah.
Especially after being in an abusive relationship.
Absolutely. And Mate and Soon spend a good chunk of their podcast discussing how abusers use a tactic called gaslighting.
Oh yeah.
To manipulate their partners.
I've heard that term before,
but I'm not sure I fully understand it.
Yeah. It's basically a way of systematically distorting the victim's perception of reality.
Okay.
So, the abuser will deny events,
twist facts, and make the victim question their own sanity.
Wow.
And memory.
That's messed up.
It's really insidious stuff.
So, it's not just lying. It's like making the victim feel like they can't even trust their own perceptions.
Exactly. The abuser is essentially trying to rewrite reality. Wow.
To fit their own narrative.
And over time, that can have a devastating impact on the victim self-esteem.
Oh, absolutely.
And mental health. So, how do you even begin to fight back against something like that,
right?
Especially when you're already feeling so vulnerable and confused.
Well, Metan soon have some really practical advice for dealing with gaslighting.
Okay.
One of the most important things they emphasize is trusting your gut instincts.
Okay. So, something feels wrong, don't dismiss it.
Exactly. Honor your own intuition and don't let the abuser manipulate your perception of what's real and what's not. It's a battle for your own reality.
It can be.
Okay. So, besides trusting your gut, what else do they suggest?
Well, they also talk about the importance of documenting the gaslighting.
Okay. So, like keeping a journal.
Yes. Saving text messages. Even reporting conversations if it's safe to do so.
So, it's almost like creating a paper trail to remind yourself of what actually happened.
Exactly. So, you don't get lost in the abuser's version of events.
And of course, setting boundaries is crucial, just like we talked about before.
Absolutely. You have to let the abuser know what you will will and will not tolerate.
Right. And be firm about enforcing those boundaries.
Yeah.
Exactly. And just as important, surrounding yourself with a supportive network of people who can validate your experiences and offer a different perspective.
So it's like creating a counterbalance to the abuser's attempts to isolate you.
Exactly. Mate and soon really stress that point. They say having a support system is essential
whether it's friends, family, or a therapist.
Yes. It can make all the difference in breaking free from gaslighting and rebuilding your sense of self. And it sounds like that sense of self is really at the core of everything we've been talking about today.
Absolutely. You're so right.
So, how do Mate and Sunn talk about selfrespect in the context of abusive relationships?
Well, they make the point that setting boundaries is ultimately an act of self-respect.
Okay.
It's about recognizing your worth and refusing to let others treat you poorly.
So, on the flip side, allowing your boundaries to be repeatedly violated can actually erode your self-esteem.
Exactly. You start doubting yourself, questioning your own judgment.
Mhm. and accepting less than you deserve
becomes like a vicious cycle.
It really does. The more your boundaries are violated, the less you believe in yourself and the harder it becomes to stand up for yourself,
which highlights why breaking free from that cycle is so important.
Absolutely. It's not just about escaping the abuse, it's about reclaiming your sense of self and learning to value yourself again.
And do Met Demsoon offer any advice on how to do that?
They do. One of the key things they emphasize is the importance of identifying your core values. Okay. So, what are the things that are most important to you in life?
Exactly. What do you stand for?
So, getting really clear on what matters to you.
Yeah. On a fundamental level. And they say once you have a good grasp on your values, you can use them as a framework for setting boundaries.
Okay. So, your values become a compass that guides your decisions.
Exactly. And helps you stand firm in your convictions.
That's like your boundaries become an extension of your values.
Yeah. So, violating those boundaries feels like a violation of who you are at your core.
Wow. Wow, that's powerful.
It is. And it highlights why standing up for yourself is so important,
right? It's about honoring your own integrity and living a life that feels authentic and true to yourself.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Well, this has been a really insightful deep dive.
I agree.
There's so much to think about when it comes to abusive relationships, boundaries, and self-respect.
Absolutely. And we've only scratched the surface of what Metate and Soon explore in their podcast.
Yeah. If anyone's interested in learning more, we highly recommend checking out the Magdalene Effect. Definitely. They offer some really profound insights and practical advice on these important topics.
And thanks for guiding us through this complex and often difficult terrain.
It's been my pleasure.
I think it's safe to say that setting boundaries and honoring ourselves are essential.
Yeah.
Not just for escaping abuse, but for creating healthy and fulfilling relationships in all areas of our lives.
Well said.
Thanks for joining us for this deep dive.
Thanks everyone.
