Podcast E13: Highly Sensitive or Empath?
Podcast E13, "Highly Sensitive or Empath: Navigating Energetic Exchange," is a conversation between Mette Miriam Sloth and Sune Sloth that explores the complex experience of being sensitive or empathic in a world of constant energetic exchange. They challenge the traditional view of "highly sensitive" as a diagnosis and instead present a perspective where sensitivity is seen as a natural openness to the environment and an ability to sense energies that many people have closed off.
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Energetic Exchange: A Battle for Attention
Mette Miriam Sloth introduces the concept of energetic exchange as a constant process where we share energy with each other. She uses the metaphor of a "battle for energy," which can be compared to a "battle for attention." People who are sick or unwell often expect to receive more energy from others. According to Mette Miriam Sloth, this exchange is often unconscious and based on an outdated mindset where sensitive and empathic people automatically assume the role of energy-giving "support" for others.
James Redfield's Archetypes and Energetic Manipulation
Mette Miriam Sloth draws on James Redfield's book The Celestine Prophecy and presents his description of different archetypes that illustrate how people can manipulate the energy of others to meet their own needs. Although she does not explicitly mention the book's title, she describes several of Redfield's archetypes:
The Intimidator: Creates fear of consequences if one does not listen.
The Interrogator: Questions and demands attention.
The Victim: Plays the victim to gain sympathy and energy.
The Withdrawn: Requires extra effort to make contact.
These archetypes are examples of how people can use different strategies to draw energy from others, often without being aware of it.
Taking Responsibility for Your Own Energy and Setting Boundaries
Mette Miriam Sloth emphasizes the importance of differentiating between one's own feelings and feelings that are taken in from others. She tells about her own experience with physical pain that turned out to originate from "depositing" other people's negative energies in the body.
Both Mette Miriam and Sune Sloth argue that sensitive people have a responsibility to protect their energy and set clear boundaries. They suggest a number of strategies to achieve this:
Become aware of your radiation: Your radiation of energy attracts certain types of people.
Learn to distinguish between your own feelings and those of others: Be aware of when you are taking in the feelings of others.
Cleanse your energy system: Use energy work to remove negative energies and blockages.
Say no: Learn to say no to unwanted energetic exchange.
Keep distance: Keep physical distance from people who drain you.
Be grateful for what is given freely: Gratitude indicates a healthy exchange of energy.
Group Consciousness and Navigating Social Contexts
Sune Sloth brings up an important point about the dynamics in groups and the challenges of navigating social contexts. He warns against using "roles and predicates" as excuses to avoid social situations and instead encourages developing an "elegant" way of setting boundaries.
Embracing the Darkness and the Power
Both Mette Miriam and Sune Sloth reject the "rosy" understanding of love that characterizes certain spiritual environments. They argue that true love embraces both light and shadow, and that it is important to integrate both one's own power and one's own darkness to navigate the energetic exchange. Setting boundaries and saying no is seen as an expression of love because it allows the other person to take responsibility for their own energy and development.
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Hey everyone and welcome back for another deep dive. Um, today we'll be kind of doing something a little different. We're going to be taking a look at the work of Mette and Sune Sloth. They're the hosts of a really insightful Danish podcast called The Magdalene Effect.
And specifically, we'll be unpacking their thoughts on sensitivity from episode 13.
Right. Exactly. So, if you want to follow along with the original material yourself, you can find the English transcript over on their website, magdaleneffect.org.
Yeah, definitely worth checking out. So, you know, the the term highly sensitive person has has become pretty widely known. But Met and Sunoon really go beyond that familiar label. They kind of reframe the whole idea of sensitivity through this really interesting lens of energy.
Okay. So, how does that work? Like how does energy relate to sensitivity?
Well, they basically propose that sensitivity is all about how much we kind of absorb and exchange energy with our environment. You know, how intensely we experience that energetic exchange.
H So, it's not just about being, you know, sensitive to like loud noise. noises or bright lights.
It's more about this deeper energetic interaction that's constantly happening.
Exactly. And they suggest that as humans, we're still kind of figuring this out.
Oh, like we're still learning how to consciously manage all of those energetic flows,
right? You know, it's like we're a young species still getting the hang of this whole energy thing.
That makes a lot of sense.
You know, sometimes I'll leave a crowded place and just feel completely drained or even after a long phone call with a certain friend.
Oh, yeah. Totally. And then actually leads perfectly into another one of their key concepts.
Okay.
The energy economy.
Energy economy.
It's this idea that attention and emotions are like currencies that are constantly being exchanged in every interaction.
So if I walk into a room feeling stressed, I'm bringing a certain energy.
Mhm.
And everyone else is going to react to that.
Exactly. And of course, they're bringing their own energy into the mix as well. So there's always this kind of exchange happening.
It's like we're all influencing each other's energetic states all the time.
And you know, like any economy, there can be imbalances,
right?
And this is something they really emphasize. They point out that people who are struggling tend to draw more energy from those around them.
H that makes sense.
You know, if someone's going through a tough time, they might need more support, more attention.
Yeah. But I guess there's a fine line between being supportive and getting kind of sucked into someone else's drama.
Exactly. And that's a really important point that they address. They caution against getting trapped in what they call the victim perpetrator dance. Oh, the victim perpetrator dance. I've heard of that.
Yeah. It's this dynamic where we're either constantly blaming others or feeling obligated to rescue them,
right? And neither of those are really healthy long term.
Nope. So, they really encourage us to move beyond that kind of dynamic.
So, how do we actually do that? Like, how do we avoid getting swept up in that dance?
Well, they suggest that a big part of it is becoming more aware of those energetic exchanges that are happening all the time.
Okay, so more awareness leads to more conscious choices. Exactly. And one of their key suggestions is learning to identify and release energy that doesn't actually belong to us.
Wait, so you're saying that we might be carrying around other people's energy without even realizing it?
Exactly. You know, we absorb energy from our environment and the people around us all the time.
Hm. So that feeling of anxiety I get before a big presentation.
It might actually be your colleagueu's stress that you're picking up on.
Wow. So it might not even be my own fear.
Right. And they offer some really interesting techniques for kind of sensing that foreign energy and gently releasing it.
Releasing it back to them.
Well, not necessarily back to them. It's more about releasing it from your own field.
Okay. So, we're not trying to like send negative energy back to anyone.
No, no, no. It's all about compassion.
Even for the energy vampires who are stressing us out,
even for them, it's about recognizing that we all have our struggles and sometimes our energy leaks out in messy ways.
Okay, that's an interesting perspective. I like that. So, we're not condoning the behavior, but we're acknowledging that everyone 's going through something.
Exactly. And that compassion can actually be a really powerful tool for setting those healthy boundaries that we were talking about.
This is already making me think about my relationships in a whole new way. But what about those people who just seem to drain the energy out of a room no matter what you do?
Ah, well, that's where their discussion of energetic archetypes comes in. They actually draw inspiration from a book called The Celestine Prophecy.
Oh, I think I've heard of that.
Yeah. It outlines these classic personal ity types that can be particularly draining.
So like the energy vampires we were just talking about.
Exactly. And they each have their own kind of signature way of draining energy.
Okay. So who are these energy vampires? Give me the rundown.
No, there's the intimidator. Okay.
They create fear to get attention. Then there's the interrogator,
always asking questions,
right? And then there's the poor me or the victim. Always playing the helpless role.
Oh yeah, I know that one.
And then finally, we have the aloof.
Oh, the aloof. The one who makes you work for their attention. Exactly. So each of these archetypes has a distinct way of kind of manipulating or demanding energy.
Wow, that's really helpful. Just knowing these archetypes exist gives me a framework for understanding some of those draining interactions I've experienced.
And once you start to recognize those patterns,
you can start to develop strategies for dealing with them.
Exactly. Like setting stronger boundaries or choosing to limit your exposure to those energy draining types.
Right. It's about taking responsibility for your own energy.
Exactly. And not allowing yourself to be pulled into those unhealthy dynamics.
I love this. It's so empowering to think that we have more control over our energy than we realize.
Absolutely. And that feeling of empowerment is something that medins soon really emphasize throughout the episode.
So, they're not saying that being sensitive is a bad thing.
Not at all. In fact, they argue that it can be a powerful tool for navigating the world with more awareness and intention.
Okay. So, sensitivity is a superpower.
Exactly. If we learn to wield it wisely.
I'm definitely starting to see that. So, they offer some tools. for actually doing that, right? Like for harnessing that sensitivity
they do. And one of the key tools they highlight is learning to differentiate between your own energy and the energy you've absorbed from others.
Okay. So that's what we were talking about before with the releasing energy.
Exactly. But first, you have to be able to tell the difference between what's yours and what you've picked up from someone else.
Yeah. How do we even do that? Like how do we know where our own feelings end and someone else's begin?
That's a great question and it's something we'll dive into right after a quick break. Welcome back. We were just talking about how to tell the difference between our own energy and the energy we kind of absorb from others,
right? Because once we can tell the difference,
then we can start to manage it more effectively.
Exactly. So, do med and soon offer any practical advice on how to actually do that?
They do. And one of the things they suggest is paying attention to our body.
Our body.
Yeah. Like notice any physical sensations that come up when you're interacting with someone.
So like if I feel my shoulders getting tense or my stomach starts churning.
That's a good sign that you might be picking up on their energy.
H. So, it's not just about our thoughts and emotions. It's about those physical sensations, too.
Exactly. It's all connected.
And what do we do once we notice those sensations?
Well, they suggest a few different techniques.
One is to try visualizing a protective shield around yourself,
like an energy bubble.
Exactly. Or you could imagine yourself being surrounded by white light.
Okay. So, just kind of pushing away that negative energy.
Yeah. And they also talk about grounding techniques.
Grounding. I've heard of that, but I'm not sure I totally understand it.
Well, it's basically about reconnecting with the earth. Okay. Like walking barefoot on the grass or even just focusing on your breath.
Was this about bringing our energy back down into our body?
Exactly. When we're feeling overwhelmed or drained, it's often because our energy is scattered,
right? Like we're not fully present.
And grounding helps us to kind of reenter ourselves.
Okay, that makes sense. So, we've got the visualizing and the ground. ing any other techniques?
Well, they also talk a lot about the importance of setting energetic boundaries.
You we touched on boundaries earlier, but I'd love to hear more about how they relate to this whole energy thing.
Well, think of your personal energy as a valuable resource,
something we need to protect.
Exactly. And boundaries are like the fences we build to safeguard that resource.
So, it's not about shutting people out completely, but about being mindful of how much we give and how much we allow others to take.
Precisely. It's about finding that healthy balance in our energetic exchanges.
And sometimes that means saying no,
right? Sometimes setting a boundary means saying no to something that would drain our energy.
That can be so hard though, especially when we want to help people or we don't want to let them down.
I know. It's definitely a skill that takes practice.
So, how do we get better at it?
Well, they suggest starting small. Like practicing saying no in low stakes situations.
Oh, like declining an invitation to a party you don't really want to go to.
Exactly. It's all about building up that muscle,
the no muscle.
Exactly. And they remind us that setting boundaries isn't selfish. It's actually an act of self-care.
Right. Because when we take care of ourselves, we're better able to show up for others
and we can show up in a more authentic and genuine way.
I love that.
Yeah.
This whole conversation is making me realize that I'm going to have some work to do around boundaries.
Well, it's something that we all have to work on. It's a lifelong process
and it's not always easy,
but it sounds like it's worth it.
Definitely. It's about taking owner ship of our own energy and well-being.
And Mate and Sunn really emphasize that sensitivity isn't a weakness,
right? It's actually a gift.
A gift? Really? How so?
Well, they point out that sensitive people are often highly intuitive and empathetic.
Oh, yeah. That makes sense.
They can pick up on subtle cues that others might miss.
So, it's like having a superpower.
Exactly. And they encourage us to embrace that sensitivity, to see it as a strength rather than something to be ashamed of.
I love that perspective because it's true. Sensitivity can be really challenging at times,
but it also allows us to connect with the world in a really deep and meaningful way.
It's like we experience everything more intensely,
the good and the bad.
And that intensity can be overwhelming sometimes.
It definitely can.
But it's also what makes life so rich and vibrant.
Okay. So, it's about finding that balance,
right? It's about learning how to manage that intensity so that it doesn't consume us.
So, we can enjoy the gifts of sensitivity without getting overwhelmed by the challenges. Exactly. And that's a journey that takes time and practice.
It's not about achieving some perfect state of being,
right? It's about becoming more aware of our own patterns
and developing those tools for navigating the world in a way that feels good to us.
Exactly. And I think that's a great segue into their discussion of unconditional love.
Oh, yeah. I was really curious to hear more about that.
Well, they suggest that unconditional love isn't about being passive or accepting mistreatment.
Okay. So, it's not about being a doormat.
Not at all. It's about setting boundaries and encouraging others to take responsibility for their own choices.
H So it's about holding that space for growth but not trying to control the outcome.
Exactly. And it's not always easy,
especially when we're dealing with people who are resistant to change.
Right. But they believe that ultimately it's the most loving and empowering approach.
It's about empowering others to find their own way, even if that means making mistakes along the way.
And sometimes that means letting go of the need to fix or rescue them. Yeah, that can be really tough.
It can, but it's also really liberating
because it frees us from that burden of responsibility
and it allows the other person to step into their own power.
This is so powerful. It's really shifting my perspective on what it means to love unconditionally.
I think that's one of the most beautiful things about their perspective on sensitivity. It's all about love.
Love for ourselves and love for others.
Exactly. And they talk about how this dynamic of energy and responsibility plays out in group settings as well.
Oh yeah. How does that work?
Well, they point out that groups often have their own kind of unspoken rules
like unwritten codes of conduct.
Exactly. And these rules can determine who gets to speak, who gets the attention, how much vulnerability is allowed.
H So it's like there's this energetic dance that's happening within the group
and sometimes sensitive people can feel out of sync with that dance.
Like they're either picking up on too much energy or they're hesitant to express their own needs fully,
right? And it can be really challenging to navigate those dynamics,
espec Especially if we're trying to fit in or please everyone.
Exactly. So they encourage us to be mindful of which groups we choose to be a part of.
To find those spaces where we can be ourselves without feeling drained or compromised.
Exactly. And that sometimes means setting boundaries within groups.
Oh. Like politely declining invitations or limiting our exposure to certain conversations.
Right. Or even just choosing to observe rather than actively participate.
It's about finding that balance between honoring our own energy and respecting the group's overall energy.
Exactly. And it takes practice, but the more we do it, the easier it becomes.
But it's not about giving up or isolating ourselves.
No, it's about being intentional with our energy
and creating a life that feels aligned with our authentic selves.
Exactly. And that's a journey that's worth taking.
And we're back for the final part of our deep dive into Metate and Soon Sloth's take on sensitivity and energy. We've covered a lot of ground. So much good stuff in their episode.
Yeah, they really pack a lot in. I'm curious what's really sticking with you so far? What are you finding most intriguing?
Honestly, the perspective on unconditional love has really shifted something for me. You know, it's not about being passive or letting people walk all over you. It's about setting boundaries and empowering others to take responsibility.
Right. Like holding that space for growth without getting entangled in their drama.
Exactly. And that can be really tough, especially when you care about someone and you see them struggling.
It definitely takes practice and learning to discern when to offer support and when to step back.
But I think ultimately it's the most loving approach because it allows the other person to really learn and grow.
And it prevents us from burning ourselves out trying to fix everyone else's problems.
Exactly. You know, it's funny. I've spent so much time trying to help people in ways that probably weren't actually helpful.
It's a common pattern, I think, especially for those of us who are naturally empathetic.
But Mete Ensun's perspective really highlights the importance of taking care of our own energy first
because If we're constantly depleted, we won't have anything left to give.
And we'll end up resentful and burned out.
Exactly. It's like that saying, you can't pour from an empty cup.
Right. So, it all starts with self-care,
with honoring our own needs and boundaries.
And that's not selfish. It's actually the foundation for healthy relationships.
Because when we're grounded and centered, we can show up for others in a more authentic and supportive way.
And that creates a ripple effect. You know, our own energy can inspire others to do the same.
It's like we're all connected in this intricate web of energy. And our individual choices can either contribute to more harmony or more chaos.
So, it's about becoming conscious co-creators of our reality.
Exactly. And that's a really empowering thought.
It is. It gives me hope. You know, even small shifts in our awareness and behavior can make a difference.
And that's what Metatune emphasize. You know, sensitivity can be a superpower
if we learn to use it wisely.
It allows us to connect with others on a deeper level to perceive the world in a more nuanced way.
It's like having this built-in radar that can guide us towards more fulfilling relationships and experiences.
And they encourage us to trust that radar to embrace our sensitivity and to develop those energy management skills
so we can navigate the world with more intention and awareness.
Exactly. And to create a life that feels aligned with our true selves.
This has been such an insightful conversation.
I agree. Metans offers such a refreshing perspective on sensitivity.
It's not about seeing it as a weakness or something to be ashamed of.
It's about recognizing its power and learning to use it to our advantage
to create a more loving and harmonious world for ourselves and for everyone around us.
Exactly. Well said. So, for anyone listening,
take some time to reflect on your own experiences with sensitivity and energy.
Notice those patterns in your relationships
and remember you have the power to choose,
to set boundaries, to honor your needs, and to create a life that truly nourishes your soul.
Thank you so much for joining us on this deep dive into Mete Ensoon's work.
We hope you found it as insightful and inspiring as we did.
And until next time, keep exploring, keep growing, and keep diving deep.